having said all of this what do we want for pentagon leadership? what should we want to make sure we are managing the reality behind these numbers in a politically smart and security smart way? it is not clear to me it is a bad idea to have someone who isn't steeped in pentagon management and having someone who does come from outside or hasn't spent is or her whole career looking his or her way up to pentagon management and has the single most important ability in whoever the next secretary of defense to say why do we do it that way? the person who has been willing to challenge that repeatedly would be my lead candidate. [applause] >> winslow wheeler, would you like to respond? >> sure. a perfectly reasonable challenge. pentagon leadership, let's call it secretary of defense over secretary of state, you don't need a competitor, to idly think over a notion of what we should do here or there. you don't want a second secretary of state. second you want somebody with demonstrated emphasis, emphasis on the word demonstrated confidence, somebody from bus